Frew 1452 - Phoenix Pt2 - King of Beggars

[germ]

 Author: Claes Reimerthi
Art: Kari Leppanen
First Published by Egmont: 15/2006

Well every Frew readers worse nightmare has happen. We have to wait til november sometime before we get the next part of this story.

I didnt mind the story at all, not as good as the first part though. I would not mind what he actually does with his wives though, did he just kill them for the dowries or did he drink their blood and that?? Also does drinking and bathing in young peoples blood actually work? Ive never heard of that before, has anyone else?

Problem with these four parters is that the first part sets up the story and then usually the second and third parts are imho the more boring parts with the fourth part finishing it off...

btw I voted Good but mainly due to the first part and im hoping that this story wont wither into a boring saga.
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[Ivan]

 

germ wrote:

Well every Frew readers worse nightmare has happen. We have to wait til november sometime before we get the next part of this story.

Well, it has to be done yet! It looks like Frew have done their best, bringing the two last issues together!

We get part 3 late oct![/quote]

Ivan

[germ]

 

Ivan wrote:

germ wrote: Well every Frew readers worse nightmare has happen. We have to wait til november sometime before we get the next part of this story. Well, it has to be done yet! It looks like Frew have done their best, bringing the two last issues together! We get part 3 late oct! Ivan

Most Frew readers would probably rather wait. I wouldve thought that if they had different artists to do the story they couldve maybe finished the story and released it around the same time...

So what did you think of it Ivan?
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[Ivan]

 

germ wrote:

So what did you think of it Ivan?

I don't think much about it, I don't read it at all, if don't have to!

But, I understand Egmont! They have all sorts of readers! I would thik if this or any other story went for 4 issues they would see it in the salesnumers!

Ivan

[germ]

 So you do not read every Phantom story that Egmont release?? Thats weird in my opinion.

It was also good to see the first Phantom back as I really enjoy the stories he appears in. The one thing that gets me is that most of his adventures are outside the jungle, I wouldve thought that the Jungle would be an ideal setting for the first Phantom as he sets up the legand of the Phantom into motion throughout the Jungle.
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[Ivan]

 

germ wrote:

So you do not read every Phantom story that Egmont release?? Thats weird in my opinion.

Why weird? I don't read every Moonstone or every Superman or every "you name it"!! And I don't follow 24!!

Why should I read everything? Is that possible?

Ivan

[germ]

 I just personally think its impossible to make a judgement on some things if you have not read them etc
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[Ivan]

 

germ wrote:

I just personally think its impossible to make a judgement on some things if you have not read them etc

Have I made a judgement about a story I have read?? Where?? I don't think I do that!!

But saying I will not read them, is that allowed, or is that a "judgement" as well??

Ivan

[Phantomrabbitoh]

 

germ wrote:

Author: Claes Reimerthi Art: Kari Leppanen First Published by Egmont: 15/2006 Well every Frew readers worse nightmare has happen. We have to wait til november sometime before we get the next part of this story. I didnt mind the story at all, not as good as the first part though. I would not mind what he actually does with his wives though, did he just kill them for the dowries or did he drink their blood and that?? Also does drinking and bathing in young peoples blood actually work? Ive never heard of that before, has anyone else? Problem with these four parters is that the first part sets up the story and then usually the second and third parts are imho the more boring parts with the fourth part finishing it off... btw I voted Good but mainly due to the first part and im hoping that this story wont wither into a boring saga.

In relation to the bathing in blood to keep young, it isn't that new a story, and the drinking of blood to keep young is also part of vampire folklore.

The actual bathing in blood was a very situation for a countess of european decent who actually believed that it would keep her young and her skin soft and attractive. Her name escapes me atm, but she was known to hire young maids and have them killed and drained so she could bath in their blood. And I am not making it up. She was eventually found out and executed for her crimes, as even though she was a noble woman, she still wasn't allowed to do that sort of thing.

As for the drinking of blood, that is also something that has been practised in many different cultures, in many different ways, and sometimes has involved human as well as animal blood, and not always as a horrible situation, but as a form of survival, or as a ritual to bond people together in a ceremony of sorts, like blood brothers. At other times it was ment for horrific means and as a form of drinking someone's spirit, and thus you " inherite " their strengths and powers, or so you believed.

In fact there are many practises that were considered quite normal or of a high honour, or in some cases simple survival and the difference between life and death, that today we would consider quite gross and disgusting.

I don't mean to disgust anyone, but I thought I would throw that in as Germ asked about it.
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[Erik M]

 

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The actual bathing in blood was a very situation for a countess of european decent who actually believed that it would keep her young and her skin soft and attractive. Her name escapes me atm, but she was known to hire young maids and have them killed and drained so she could bath in their blood. And I am not making it up. She was eventually found out and executed for her crimes, as even though she was a noble woman, she still wasn't allowed to do that sort of thing.

You are talking about Countess Elizabeth Bathory.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_B%C3%A1thory

[Ivan]

 

Phantomrabbitoh wrote:

At other times it was ment for horrific means and as a form of drinking someone's spirit, and thus you " inherite " their strengths and powers, or so you believed.

I think there is a big difference between "or so they believed" and using such elements as facts!

In the first chapter of the Phonix the stone gave eternal life, that was nothing he believed! Having such in a Phantom story is not what I want!

Ivan

[Phantomrabbitoh]

 

Erik M wrote:

Quote: The actual bathing in blood was a very situation for a countess of european decent who actually believed that it would keep her young and her skin soft and attractive. Her name escapes me atm, but she was known to hire young maids and have them killed and drained so she could bath in their blood. And I am not making it up. She was eventually found out and executed for her crimes, as even though she was a noble woman, she still wasn't allowed to do that sort of thing. You are talking about Countess Elizabeth Bathory. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_B%C3%A1thory

Legends
The following are some of the best known legends about Elizabeth Báthory. Although some are partly based on statements made by those interrogated after 1610, their truthfulness cannot be verified.

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Bloodbaths
Elizabeth Báthory, described as a beauty by her contemporaries, is rumored to have been exceedingly vain and obsessed with preserving her youth. Legend has it that a servant girl accidentally pulled the countess' hair while arranging it one day, and Báthory slapped her so hard her nose bled. She believed that the servant's blood had made her skin young and fresh again, and so she conceived the idea of bathing in blood as a magical restorative. Her reputation as the "Blood Countess" arose in large part from stories of servants and virgin peasant girls being strung upside down and drained of their blood to provide Báthory with a way to preserve her youth. It is also said that before killing her victims the countess would fondle her victims' genitalia as a way of preparing them for death[citation needed]. This story is one of the most enduring parts of Báthory's legend and appears in most fictional works inspired by it.

McNally, however, did not find anything in his research to suggest that the blood bath legend had any truth in reality and, in fact, concluded that they were just stories created at a later date to try to justify the idea that a woman could be guilty of causing so many deaths. Many men believed that women simply were not capable of violence for its own sake and created, McNally explained, the idea that that vanity was the root cause so that it fit in better with the popular idea of what women are motivated by.

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Torture
While interrogating Turks, her husband at one time employed articulated claw-like pincers of silver which, when fastened to a whip, would tear and rip the flesh to such an obscene degree that he soon abandoned the apparatus in disgust and left it at the castle. Báthory's aunt had introduced her to the practice of flagellation, and she equipped herself with her husband's silver claws for use on Slavic debtors and other victims. She preferred to whip her subjects on the front of their nude bodies rather than their backs, so that she could watch their faces contort in horror at their fate.

Báthory used other methods of torture as well, often as punishments for servants who incurred her displeasure. Sticking pins under the fingernails of maids, covering young women in honey and leaving them to be stung to death by bees, or dousing naked victims in cold water during the harshest parts of the winter until they froze to death were among the tortures rumored to have taken place at her castle. She and her servants also beat and starved her victims. Other legends mention Báthory's use of the iron maiden, but this is not in the testimony of the interrogated servants.

Many works of fiction portray the countess as bisexual or lesbian, drawing on the belief that her victims were exclusively women. It is unclear whether her sadism had any sexual component, nor is it confirmed that she only killed women. It should be noted that torture was commonly practiced by both sides of the conflict during the Ottoman wars in Europe, of which Hungary was at the forefront for centuries.

According to some researched Elizabeth killed around 600 maidens and virgins in her kingdom. that made her known as the "Lady Dracula".
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[Phantomrabbitoh]

 

Ivan wrote:

Phantomrabbitoh wrote: At other times it was ment for horrific means and as a form of drinking someone's spirit, and thus you " inherite " their strengths and powers, or so you believed. I think there is a big difference between "or so they believed" and using such elements as facts! In the first chapter of the Phonix the stone gave eternal life, that was nothing he believed! Having such in a Phantom story is not what I want! Ivan

Well I was using the term loosely, as in they believed that by doing certain things it would give them special powers, like the inca's believed that blood sacrifice made the sun rise every day, so they killed every day to make sure it did.

Besides, what we want and what we get are usually two very different things.
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[Ivan]

 

germ wrote:

Author: Claes Reimerthi Art: Kari Leppanen First Published by Egmont: 15/2006

I must correct you a bit Germ! The tittle for the series is not Phoenix, but "The Philosopher's Stone"

The "stone" that give eterny life is an element in all stories!

Ivan

[Ivan]

 

Phantomrabbitoh wrote:

Well I was using the term loosely, as in they believed that by doing certain things it would give them special powers, like the inca's believed that blood sacrifice made the sun rise every day, so they killed every day to make sure it did.

Let that be as it may! I am not against seing anyone in a Phantom story doing strange things! But having an elements as the The Philosopher's Stone in the story as a fact for giving eternal life is not what I want to see!

No one has been known to have lived forever, and no one can say that such a stone exists, but here in a Pahntom story in 2006 we are to believe both! Not as a "perhaps" but as a "has been"! Phonix has lived for several hundred years, that is a fact, as far as the story goes!

Ivan